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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 5, 2012 8:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: It's time to decide - move forward or fall back?

The 2012 Republican Party platform calls for a constitutional amendment that would outlaw all abortions. No exceptions.

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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: Nov 5, 2012 9:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: It's time to decide - move forward or fall back?

No exceptions? wow, really? Please provide an actual link from the Platform and not just some facebook poster crap-piece you read. I heard the debates and the exceptions concerning abortion on rape & incest.

To women who use murder so as to enjoy their whore ass lifestyle, show some responsibility and shut your f'n legs, (edit)B! Don't take a penny of my taxes to pay for your infanticide, (edit)B!

Killing the unborn is real terrorism!


What do the GD Forum's female deadheads think about this?


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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 5, 2012 9:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: It's time to decide - move forward or fall back?

"We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children."

I don't see anything in there about exceptions. Feel free to educate me..

Here's the link: http://www.gop.com/2012-republican-platform_We/

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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: Nov 5, 2012 10:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: It's time to decide - move forward or fall back?

The full text

The Sanctity and Dignity of Human Life

Faithful to the “self-evident” truths enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. We oppose using public revenues to promote or perform abortion or fund organizations which perform or advocate it and will not fund or subsidize health care which includes abortion coverage. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life. We oppose the non-consensual withholding or withdrawal of care or treatment, including food and water, from people with disabilities, including newborns, as well as the elderly and infirm, just as we oppose active and passive euthanasia and assisted suicide.

Republican leadership has led the effort to prohibit the barbaric practice of partial-birth abortion and permitted States to extend health care coverage to children before birth. We urge Congress to strengthen the Born Alive Infant Protection Act by enacting appropriate civil and criminal penalties on healthcare providers who fail to provide treatment and care to an infant who survives an abortion, including early induction delivery where the death of the infant is intended. We call for legislation to ban sex-selective abortions – gender discrimination in its most lethal form – and to protect from abortion unborn children who are capable of feeling pain; and we applaud U.S. House Republicans for leading the effort to protect the lives of pain-capable unborn children in the District of Columbia. We call for a ban on the use of body parts from aborted fetuses for research. We support and applaud adult stem cell research to develop lifesaving therapies, and we oppose the killing of embryos for their stem cells. We oppose federal funding of embryonic stem cell research.

We also salute the many States that have passed laws for informed consent, mandatory waiting periods prior to an abortion, and health-protective clinic regulation. We seek to protect young girls from exploitation through a parental consent requirement; and we affirm our moral obligation to assist, rather than penalize, women challenged by an unplanned pregnancy. We salute those who provide them with counseling and adoption alternatives and empower them to choose life, and we take comfort in the tremendous increase in adoptions that has followed Republican legislative initiatives.

So this is where you defer?
we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed.

I also read the full txt above, it mentions "pain-capable unborn children" I also oppose capital punishment and personally oppose all abortion.

Oh, and my other post was sincere, with a touch of sarcasm in that it's a shame that some with no morals actually vote. To hell with tax supported Planned Parenthood, let George Soros and private contributions pay for it. Oh and NPR also

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 5, 2012 11:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: It's time to decide - move forward or fall back?

I'm no lawyer, but it seems to me that to apply the 14th amendment to "unborn children" is the same as outlawing abortion in all circumstances. It sound real nice to extend personhood and citizenship to fetuses, but this sets up a situation where pregnant women will at best have to fight legal battles to have abortions that might save their lives.

This is not some abstract thing to me, someone I am close to was in a situation where an abortion might have made a difference in saving her life. She didn't have the abortion, partly because she didn't have accurate information about the cancer, and has a healthy child, but the disease advanced through her system during those intervening months and as a result she may not live much longer.

Banning abortion might make you feel good, but we ignore these stark realities at our own peril.

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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: Nov 5, 2012 5:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: It's time to decide - move forward or fall back?

did she want an abortion, but was refused one? Or did she want a healthy child and choose (by refusing chemo/radiation) to have that child?

That would have been her free choice and if that's what happened, she is a hero in my eyes.

How does she feel about it now? Does she still have prefered an abortion?

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 5, 2012 8:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: It's time to decide - move forward or fall back?

No, she never wanted one. But she never really had to make the choice because the doctor misdiagnosed her and didn't catch the cancer. They didn't find it until they were already performing an emergency c-section, at which point they also took out the cancer. The entire thing was rather emotional as you might imagine. My point, and one that she has made many times, is that she doesn't know what she would have done if she'd known, but hopes that she would have at least been given that choice.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Nov 5, 2012 9:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: It's time to decide - move forward or fall back?

Let's keep it civil, and let's remember that half (or more) the responsibility for any pregnancy rests with males. Keep your zipper up!

And we can step back from abortion - which we all abhor - and note that Romney would defund Planned Parenthood completely, which provides cancer screenings, birth control, education etc.

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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: Nov 5, 2012 9:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: It's time to decide - move forward or fall back?

I'll simply base my vote on a politicians view on infanticide...because it shows their true heart and morals.

To you youngins who go on a first date, cut to the chase and find out asap, "whats your view on abortian? your view on pre-marital sex?

(in other words, are you a whore and do you condone murder? pretty important for you guys with a brain above your waist)
A negative answer = immediate exit, stage left. Oh, and the term whore applies to both sexes

And to think some of that rubbish actually votes!

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 5, 2012 9:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: It's time to decide - move forward or fall back?

If I'm going to respond to this coherently, you're going to need to tag the sarcastic parts and the sincere parts. Sorry.

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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: Nov 5, 2012 10:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: It's time to decide - move forward or fall back?

line 1 - how I feel
line 2 - how I feel
line 3 - how I feel
line 4 - have done

line 5 - a tinge of sarcasm because I'm such a hater - lol (sarcasm)